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	<title>Comments on: Caf&#233;Press.com: don&#8217;t want our FREE THE MP 3 tees</title>
	<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/</link>
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		<title>By: Why?</title>
		<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-3059</link>
		<dc:creator>Why?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 11:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-3059</guid>
		<description>Fuck moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: Why?</title>
		<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-3058</link>
		<dc:creator>Why?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 11:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-3058</guid>
		<description>why are you even entertaining this discussion? no one is getting arrested for using their legally purchased music on their ipods. i don't care what arcane law exists concerning this. it simply won't happen... 

it's like the law: if youre carrying your passport without intent to travel abroad, youre commiting a crime. ive never heard of anyone arrested for this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why are you even entertaining this discussion? no one is getting arrested for using their legally purchased music on their ipods. i don&#8217;t care what arcane law exists concerning this. it simply won&#8217;t happen&#8230; </p>
<p>it&#8217;s like the law: if youre carrying your passport without intent to travel abroad, youre commiting a crime. ive never heard of anyone arrested for this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon McGarr</title>
		<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1945</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon McGarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1945</guid>
		<description>I'd suggest not bothering with CafePress and moving on to someone who will print your stuff. There is little point trying to pursuade a company that you fall outside their terms and conditions if they've already decided you don't. 

Its a bit like trying to argue with nightclub bouncers. They're never going to go "you know, I never thought of it like that." Better just to go to the next nightclub along. 

Or, really, go home and have a nice cup of cocoa and listen to Lyric FM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest not bothering with CafePress and moving on to someone who will print your stuff. There is little point trying to pursuade a company that you fall outside their terms and conditions if they&#8217;ve already decided you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Its a bit like trying to argue with nightclub bouncers. They&#8217;re never going to go &#8220;you know, I never thought of it like that.&#8221; Better just to go to the next nightclub along. </p>
<p>Or, really, go home and have a nice cup of cocoa and listen to Lyric FM.</p>
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		<title>By: bbt</title>
		<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1944</link>
		<dc:creator>bbt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1944</guid>
		<description>MJ:

Well its not that I brought it on myself. I understood the consequences of it before I started. 
Like I said, if I was bad mouthing Apple and iPods, then sure, fire away.

But I was using the iPod because it was synonymous with digital music today.

I can quiet easily, change the word iPod to MP3 Player, and the redesign the iPod image..but it seems a little too heavy handed.

Yes, I guess tha Cafepress don't want to get the wrath of Apple brought down on them..Pity.

Tom:

This is not commercial. Its purely charitable. Aopparently the shape *can be trademarked* (at least inthe US), under Trade Dress Rights, as explained in CafePress's mail:

"Trade Dress protects the "total image" of a product, which can include the color scheme of the packaging, the arrangement of certain elements in a design, and the overall shape "silhouette" of the product.  For example, the use of the shape of the Heinz ketchup bottle is problematic for similarly infringing on the Heinz corporations trade dress rights."

Damien:

This is another reason why I used the iPod. If you buy everything from iTMS, and use your iPod then your happy. Like you said, you actually owning the original media it came on doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference.


Anyway, I am going to continue talking with CafePress and see if this can be worked out. Lets see ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ:</p>
<p>Well its not that I brought it on myself. I understood the consequences of it before I started.<br />
Like I said, if I was bad mouthing Apple and iPods, then sure, fire away.</p>
<p>But I was using the iPod because it was synonymous with digital music today.</p>
<p>I can quiet easily, change the word iPod to MP3 Player, and the redesign the iPod image..but it seems a little too heavy handed.</p>
<p>Yes, I guess tha Cafepress don&#8217;t want to get the wrath of Apple brought down on them..Pity.</p>
<p>Tom:</p>
<p>This is not commercial. Its purely charitable. Aopparently the shape *can be trademarked* (at least inthe US), under Trade Dress Rights, as explained in CafePress&#8217;s mail:</p>
<p>&#8220;Trade Dress protects the &#8220;total image&#8221; of a product, which can include the color scheme of the packaging, the arrangement of certain elements in a design, and the overall shape &#8220;silhouette&#8221; of the product.  For example, the use of the shape of the Heinz ketchup bottle is problematic for similarly infringing on the Heinz corporations trade dress rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Damien:</p>
<p>This is another reason why I used the iPod. If you buy everything from iTMS, and use your iPod then your happy. Like you said, you actually owning the original media it came on doesn&#8217;t seem to make a blind bit of difference.</p>
<p>Anyway, I am going to continue talking with CafePress and see if this can be worked out. Lets see <img src='http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley</title>
		<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1942</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1942</guid>
		<description>MJ, I think it is more the fact that it is illegal to move your music on to your iPod in Ireland, making anyone that follows iTunes' "rip and play" marketing into a person who breaks the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ, I think it is more the fact that it is illegal to move your music on to your iPod in Ireland, making anyone that follows iTunes&#8217; &#8220;rip and play&#8221; marketing into a person who breaks the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1941</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1941</guid>
		<description>I am not a lawyer Bernard but the word iPod is trademarked and can't be used for commercial purposes (even if the purpose if to help out DRI) without Apple's express permission.

The shape, I doubt if it can be trademarked - talk to some of the DRI guys - they should be able to advise you here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a lawyer Bernard but the word iPod is trademarked and can&#8217;t be used for commercial purposes (even if the purpose if to help out DRI) without Apple&#8217;s express permission.</p>
<p>The shape, I doubt if it can be trademarked - talk to some of the DRI guys - they should be able to advise you here.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1940</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1940</guid>
		<description>Well, you kinda brought it on yourself. iPod is an aggressively trademarked word and the iPod shape is probably subject to some BS-trademark as well. If you used the word iPod, then yeah, you're infringing on a trademark.

I don't quite understand why you need to take a pot shot at the iPod or use it as your poster child for your anti-DRM movement. iPod and iTunes, to my mind, address the best compromise. They permit you to listen to DRM free music if you like (loaded from CDs, culled from artists who give their stuff away, home created) and for those people who CHOOSE to use the iTMS, they can!

Compare that to the first (and only) "MP3" player I owned which was a Thomson Lyra. It forced me to import my music to some sort of incompatible WMA format which only played on the Lyra. Now that's a hunk of junk right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you kinda brought it on yourself. iPod is an aggressively trademarked word and the iPod shape is probably subject to some BS-trademark as well. If you used the word iPod, then yeah, you&#8217;re infringing on a trademark.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite understand why you need to take a pot shot at the iPod or use it as your poster child for your anti-DRM movement. iPod and iTunes, to my mind, address the best compromise. They permit you to listen to DRM free music if you like (loaded from CDs, culled from artists who give their stuff away, home created) and for those people who CHOOSE to use the iTMS, they can!</p>
<p>Compare that to the first (and only) &#8220;MP3&#8243; player I owned which was a Thomson Lyra. It forced me to import my music to some sort of incompatible WMA format which only played on the Lyra. Now that&#8217;s a hunk of junk right there.</p>
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		<title>By: arseblogger</title>
		<link>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1938</link>
		<dc:creator>arseblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/02/23/cafpresscom-dont-want-our-free-the-mp-3-tees/#comment-1938</guid>
		<description>Get in touch with the guy who runs www.dangerhere.com

He was putting together a more Ireland/UK version of Cafe Press a while back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get in touch with the guy who runs <a href="http://www.dangerhere.com" rel="nofollow">www.dangerhere.com</a></p>
<p>He was putting together a more Ireland/UK version of Cafe Press a while back.</p>
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