http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/ RunningWithBulls .com The curse of Sanfermin Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:14:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2454 Tips on blogging from Sicilian Notes at RunningWithBulls.com - The curse of Sanfermin Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:02:03 +0000 http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2454 [...] I think that the Irish Blog O’ Sphere is self healing and self rergulating to a certain degree. If people think you are talking rubbish, they will let you know. [...] […] I think that the Irish Blog O’ Sphere is self healing and self rergulating to a certain degree. If people think you are talking rubbish, they will let you know. […]

]]> http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2147 The Dublin Community Blog » Blog Archive » Afraid to Blog? Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:48:37 +0000 http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2147 [...] I know this isn’t strictly related to Dublin and it certainly is not meant to moralize or scare people but following the coverage in the Sunday Times on the shutdown of El Passo Times I think it may be useful to post a link to this story that I found on Running With Bulls. Especially useful it their link to a Libel Pamphlet on digitalrights.ie [...] […] I know this isn’t strictly related to Dublin and it certainly is not meant to moralize or scare people but following the coverage in the Sunday Times on the shutdown of El Passo Times I think it may be useful to post a link to this story that I found on Running With Bulls. Especially useful it their link to a Libel Pamphlet on digitalrights.ie […]

]]> http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2145 Tuppenceworth.ie blog » Viva El Paso! Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:24:54 +0000 http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2145 [...] I’ve said it about bloggers before, and no doubt I’ll say it again: “Get over yourselvesâ€?. El Paso is more about Dundalk than it is about blogging, which may be why certain sophisticates find it embarrassing. Runningwithbulls has understandable reasons for not finding the joke all that funny, but I note, for example, that Adam Maguire, with his talk of “quality and integrityâ€? has clambered onto an inappropriately high horse. Similarly, the usually sensible Maman Poulet asks, like an exasperated neighbour lamenting a local n’er-do-well asks ‘Was anyone surprised it was them who got themselves into this mess?’. Further, she has suggested that El Paso is irresponsible and “has it’s own agendaâ€?. Now doesn’t this imply that they should instead adhere to some other agenda? Perhaps one deemed appropriate by the “blogging communityâ€?? This to me is indicative of a snooty, “Irish Blog Establishmentâ€? attitude. Only a few weeks after the first ever Blog Awards and we already have elder statesmen turning up their noses at provincial oiks. Forgive me if I’m not impressed. If El Paso defames someone, the victims have a remedy in libel. Let them seek such remedy if they wish, but don’t everyone else come the scold, bleating “you’re only ruining it for everyone elseâ€?. El Paso» [...] […] I’ve said it about bloggers before, and no doubt I’ll say it again: “Get over yourselvesâ€?. El Paso is more about Dundalk than it is about blogging, which may be why certain sophisticates find it embarrassing. Runningwithbulls has understandable reasons for not finding the joke all that funny, but I note, for example, that Adam Maguire, with his talk of “quality and integrityâ€? has clambered onto an inappropriately high horse. Similarly, the usually sensible Maman Poulet asks, like an exasperated neighbour lamenting a local n’er-do-well asks ‘Was anyone surprised it was them who got themselves into this mess?’. Further, she has suggested that El Paso is irresponsible and “has it’s own agendaâ€?. Now doesn’t this imply that they should instead adhere to some other agenda? Perhaps one deemed appropriate by the “blogging communityâ€?? This to me is indicative of a snooty, “Irish Blog Establishmentâ€? attitude. Only a few weeks after the first ever Blog Awards and we already have elder statesmen turning up their noses at provincial oiks. Forgive me if I’m not impressed. If El Paso defames someone, the victims have a remedy in libel. Let them seek such remedy if they wish, but don’t everyone else come the scold, bleating “you’re only ruining it for everyone elseâ€?. El Paso» […]

]]> http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2140 Adam Maguire’s Blog » the El Paso issue rumbles on… Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:20:10 +0000 http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2140 [...] Defamation is a real and present threat in Ireland, be the publication online or otherwise. Bloggers should awaken from any possible pre-conception they may have that blogging, as an amateur hobby does not come under the same rules as the professional media (Back Seat Driver has a good piece on the mirage of anonymity). The one damaging thing that could come from this case is if El Paso is allowed to get away with the defamation it has made. If a blog is allowed to make such accusations and avoid any punishment, opponents of blogging will use it as a stick to beat the rest of us with. On the other side of the coin, as Damien argues, this incident is a chance for bloggers to establish their freedoms and boundaries rather than have them forced upon us by exterior forces. Irish blogging, like everything else will soon make its heirarchy apparent. By that I mean that the cream will rise to the top, both in terms of quality and integrity. Blogs that are based on childish slagging matches are not likely to endear readers for very long and any publicity El Paso has recieved from its prank will be short-lived. Damien points towards the idea of creating a document to educate those hurt by defamation online; something that would help them get such comments removed or dealt with in some way. I hope that in years to come Irish bloggers will be able to create a system of accountability on a voluntary level, one that would deal with the issue before the courts got involved. At the same time, the threat of libel faces us all, regardless of the comments we make. Like Bernard, many bloggers could not afford to defend themselves in court and in the case of legal threats would be more inclined to comply rather than stand up for their rights and risk much more. Could we see, some time in the future, a body of bloggers willing to donate towards such a cause in the name of freedom of the media? I believe so. [...] […] Defamation is a real and present threat in Ireland, be the publication online or otherwise. Bloggers should awaken from any possible pre-conception they may have that blogging, as an amateur hobby does not come under the same rules as the professional media (Back Seat Driver has a good piece on the mirage of anonymity). The one damaging thing that could come from this case is if El Paso is allowed to get away with the defamation it has made. If a blog is allowed to make such accusations and avoid any punishment, opponents of blogging will use it as a stick to beat the rest of us with. On the other side of the coin, as Damien argues, this incident is a chance for bloggers to establish their freedoms and boundaries rather than have them forced upon us by exterior forces. Irish blogging, like everything else will soon make its heirarchy apparent. By that I mean that the cream will rise to the top, both in terms of quality and integrity. Blogs that are based on childish slagging matches are not likely to endear readers for very long and any publicity El Paso has recieved from its prank will be short-lived. Damien points towards the idea of creating a document to educate those hurt by defamation online; something that would help them get such comments removed or dealt with in some way. I hope that in years to come Irish bloggers will be able to create a system of accountability on a voluntary level, one that would deal with the issue before the courts got involved. At the same time, the threat of libel faces us all, regardless of the comments we make. Like Bernard, many bloggers could not afford to defend themselves in court and in the case of legal threats would be more inclined to comply rather than stand up for their rights and risk much more. Could we see, some time in the future, a body of bloggers willing to donate towards such a cause in the name of freedom of the media? I believe so. […]

]]> http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2139 Damien Mulley » Blog Archive » An April’s Fool as a springboard Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:45:01 +0000 http://www.runningwithbulls.com/blog/2006/04/02/el-paso-times-remove-the-post-before-you-loose/#comment-2139 [...] To push for more freedoms and abilities online we need to know what our boundaries are. The (hypothetical) El Paso incident shows some of the boundaries and I think many could agree with Suzy that if you act like a dickhead then be prepared to be tackled about it. Bernard unfortunately discovered how restrictive the boundaries are even when he and many others felt he was in the right. We can work on pushing these boundaries so non-dickheads like Bernard can be afforded greater protection if groups with more money than morals want to prevent transparency. [...] […] To push for more freedoms and abilities online we need to know what our boundaries are. The (hypothetical) El Paso incident shows some of the boundaries and I think many could agree with Suzy that if you act like a dickhead then be prepared to be tackled about it. Bernard unfortunately discovered how restrictive the boundaries are even when he and many others felt he was in the right. We can work on pushing these boundaries so non-dickheads like Bernard can be afforded greater protection if groups with more money than morals want to prevent transparency. […]

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